they don't want to be on the defensive. they don't want to make the mistake. you know, this is the kind of campaign where mitt rom needs to do more than have a draw. he needs to make a case. i think it's going to be awfully hard for him to close the imp thee gap given the context of "washington post" had an empathy gap. he has to change the dynamic. it's up to the president to answer each and all of the charges. so far the obama campaign has done a good job in talking about whose fault is the economy and how they have tried to respond. >> woodruff: what does it mean to change the dynamic of the race though? that sounds like a big task. >> it is. i think, judy, at the end of this or the day after the debate we have to be talking not about bane and mitt romney's money and whether mitt romney cares about 47% of the country. we have to be talking about the president's performance, what thate president should have, could have done and what mitt romney wants to do over the next month and how that is different from how barack obama would handle a second term. >> thes